Monday 23 May 2016

Some Promising Stocks: Meditating for the Unknown



Meditation is not a word for “Dhayana”. Meditation is a relationship of Subject and Object where one is practicing or contemplating something…but subject remains always there. But in Indian consciousness (again “Chetna” or “Minisha” are better) “Dhayana” is a state where subject dissolve into Unknown…subject just vanishes…it becomes one with whole or we can better say it realizes the illusion of separateness…fragmentation is a state of Mind while oneness is the reality…when one experience this…it is Dhayana…it is not a process but a state. And because there is no subject; so every Dhayani (Say Meditator) faces the problem of explaining his experience in our worldly language and when they try they appear out of Subject and Lunatic. It is just like trying to make a child understand the meaning of love…not understanding is not the issue but the child can relate his love for Chocolate with our love for our better half. The whole chaos we are seeing for ages is because children are trying to understand Love from their “State” and some says Love is Chocolate, for some it is Toys and for some it is ice cream.

Stock analysis is also just like Meditation…very deep, enjoyable and engaging but as subject remains (unmelt) so he can explain it. Business is even deeper meditation…contemplating the Unknown…dragging the future into present…business contemplates the oneness of worldly forces better than our religions and tries to gasp the future trend. But biggest risk factor is not the subject-matter but only the Subject….the businessman. I call it the Management Risk. I take management risk as the biggest threat to a business venture. External factors are always isolated and beyond control but business is never about controlling them but being in the harmony of these. Harmony is about the meditators. So there can be chances when external factors are out of favor but a true meditator will eventually resonate with these.

So capability of management is the biggest factor in the success or failure of a business. All the measurement variables of success like cash, market share, profitability etc. are just derivatives of the management. When I bought stocks like NIIT, jain irrigation in their tough times….it was just because of the management which is top class. Then, if external factors are affecting any business too frequently like in commodity business like Steel where too many external factors become alive time and again….like global over supply, low global demand…these can kill anyone without any of their fault…I call it Frequency Risk. So I generally avoid these types of companies.

So in today’s post, I am going to share some companies which are meditating quietly for a long time. So no wonder, they remain unnoticed. But the scale of success is enormous and if they succeed they will be giants. Another thing about these stocks is that almost all have already been shared with the readers of this blog who have subscribed to the email of this blog. Actually the reason for not sharing at this blog was because I was still to complete the final analysis and sometimes the lack of time. However I am feeling somewhat down as some of these stocks have already run up quite a bit. But the good thing is that most of email subscribers are having it so they might find this post just a copy of my emails. But today I am just posting basic introductions to these stocks due to lack of time and length of the post .

JM Financial and Edelweiss: Two of the best NBFC’s available at cheap rates. With great return over equity but still available at PE ratios of 10. JM Financial’s ROE is around 25%, Dividend yield is 3-4% but still running at a pe ratio of just 8! Both are having some Niche businesses like JM is the biggest indian in Investment Banking business which is a fee based business so margins are very high. Edelweiss is very strong in Equity broking and Insurance. Edelweiss is going to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of growth in equity broking business as more indians will come to the market due to high cost of real estate and sluggishness in Gold. Indians invest just 1% in equity, chinese at 15-20%...USA may be around 30% or so...so just see the scale.

But the surprise package will be their ARC (Assets reconstruction companies) business. Indian banks are estimated to have NPA’s of around 3 lac crore. Mr. Raghuram is focusing on cleaning the mess in the books of banks so banks are selling these NPA’s to ARC’s like never before. Both Edelweiss and JM are already the biggest players in this. Edelweiss bought around 20000 cr of NPA in recent times (it bought the NPA of Arshiya international while JM is curing Hotel Leela). I think that ARC’s are a good remedy to the businesses facing the systematic risks and can be saved by these ARC’s as they can provide these businesses with working capital and with their expertise they can enable them pass the difficult time. Like Arshiya expanded into FTWZ business too fast too soon but it was a novel business idea and can be saved. But there is no remedy for bad business decision and fraud and in those situations only remedy is to dispose of the assets and save as much as you can.

JM is at 45 and Edelweiss at 68. Both have already run up quite a bit especially Edelweiss from 50 to 70 but still long way to go.

Zydus wellness:  This is one stock where scale of operation is too big to ignore. It is into the wellness sector offering unique products like zero calorie sugar derivatives (Sugar Free Brand, with 93% market share), Nutralite brand providing low chelostrol substitute for butter, Everyuth brand in peel and scrub category with biggest market share. it is at a pe ratio of 33 and almost doubled...but this is nothing...peanut. Its main product Sugar free is having 90% market share and it is essential for diabetic patients. i am ignoring other health conscious persons using it. Its sugar free turnover is just 300 cr.

Now we do some calculations...india has 7 cr diabetics. Now take that in future only 3 cr will use sugar free. They will use 3-4 sugar drops per day, i am taking 4. Zydus charges around 60/- for 100 drops of sugar free and it has not raised the prices for last 3-4 years. Also its sugar free Natura and Herbivia are natural products and should command 50% more prices, i am ignoring this also. So taking 4 drops, the yearly possible turnover is 2600 cr...that too at old prices!!!. You can add health conscious person using the same and add price raises plus costly Natura and Herbivia and raise the usage to 6-8 drops.....it will become almost 5000 cr...add to it export growth...it will rise further. it is a concept stock and risk reward ratio is highly favorable. Sugar free now is generic name...but still people take it as chemical sugar when in fact some of its brands are natural sugars...so it just need to up the ante for Branding.

It is planning big for herbal zero calorie sugar Stevia...it has been finally approved by FSSAI around Nov-15...so now cola companies can use it and directions can be issued for its use.

Zydus has again started branding and awareness drive for its natural sugars like Natura which are not chemicals like earlier Sugar Free Gold. So once people understand this the demand will be huge. It has ignored Everyuth in the past although it is a great product, so due to no sales promotion people forget it. But now it is back on the TV and company is focusing on growing it again.

For Margarine (Butter substitute) Nutralite; it doesn’t taste that good like butter. So I think it would be great if Zydus focus more on enhancing the taste or it can add some percentage of butter to enhance the taste.

It was showing flat results for many quarters,  but finally in Mar-16 quarter it has shown good growth...turnover 109 cr vs 97 cr...operating  profit at 22 cr from 12 cr, NP at 25 cr vs 20 cr due to other income and taxation effect. I think it has raised the price of its products which was due for long. At CMP of around 770…it is a great buy.

Dr. Agarwal’s Eye Hospital: I picked it up when it was around 70 few years back. It is one of the biggest Eye care chain in india with 60 hospitals with around 44 in India and 16 abroad. 

This hospital was promoted by late Dr. J agarwal who came to Mumbai around 1955 with just Rs. 250/- in his pocket with his wife and from a very humble beginning from small clinic with borrowed money for essential tools his vision and passion has created a eye care behemoth with annual turnover of around 100 cr and number of hospitals under its domain has increased to around 60 in all over india.

His son Dr amar agarwal MS, FRCS, FRCOphth, who is a stalwart in the field of Eye care and invented some new eye treatment techniques (like Performing pain-free, no-anesthesia cataract surgery) and written many books in the field of eye care is now leading the team towards a global growth path. They are a good management team doing almost 1000 eye operation in a year free of cost for poor people.

Its turnover is around 130 cr with negligible profits this year which may surprise many as eye care is a very profitable business. However this is due to rising competition where some eye care chains expanded too much in overcrowded southern market where Dr Agarwal has significant presence. The main culprit was Vasan Eye care who on its disastrous expansion spree expanded to almost 200 eye hospitals in around 3-4 years…but its growth (Weight) was fuelled by Debt (Fat) not equity (Muscles). So when it could no longer bear its weight, it just collapsed and its private equity partners like GIC and Sequoia took big losses. Players like Vasan brought down the prices of eye care. That’s why Dr agarwal sees its operating margins falling in last 1-2 years.

But it has big plans for investing around 600 cr for expansion. It is too strong in R&D and cutting edge technology in fact Vasan established its first hospital with the technological assistance from Dr Agarwal. Recent equity investments in Dr Agarwal is valuing it around 500 cr while its Current market value is just under 100 cr. CMP is 150. I am adding more at CMP.

Piramal Enterprises: This is my all-time favorite and invested in it at 500, then at 800 and 950. But I couldn’t post my study as it was expanding too fast and new businesses required deep study like its investment in pharma Information management company Decision Resource PLC in USA. It is into NBFC, Pharma, Information management. I just kept on adding it only on the basis of one man…and that is Mr. Ajay Piramal…the promoter of the group. I see him as one of the best value investor in india. It is now around 1350…a big rise but there is no doubt that it is just the beginning. It will become bigger and bigger. There are so many catalysts pending like demerger of its various businesses, Merger with Shriram group, Merger with IL&FS group etc. so it still can be picked at CMP and at every fall.

Forbes Gokak: Already posted a study about it when it was around 500 click here. But it is still unknown to many. It is the owner of Eureka forbes, the biggest water and home equipment company in india with unmatched R&D skills. It manufactures its product on its own and been the pioneer in bringing many new water treatment technologies. Turnover of Eureka Forbes alone is around 1800 cr with NP of 40-50 cr….while market valuation is just 1700 cr so it is at PE ratio of just 35-40 which is cheap…although we have not priced its other businesses like tools and payment solutions etc. I have invested quite early in it around 500, then at 700 and now at 1300. It is still a good buy at CMP of 1300/-.

Narayana Healthcare: Dr Devi Shetty is revolutionizing the healthcare industry with unimaginable low cost healthcare model. Earlier they were more like Good Company with the main objective of serving the poor. But you can’t grow with non-profit model. So they were having different models for rich and poor but with same high quality services. But they need more profit to grow bigger and provide cheaper services to all. Earlier actually i was a bit apprehensive whether Narayana would be able to show the kind of growth to justify the high valuation. And it just did the same in Dec-15 qtr result with its operating profit rising almost 5 times from 5 cr to 25 cr...also finance cost fell to 3 cr from 11 cr.

As it is following wholesale type of business model; so any incremental revenue will add significantly to the bottom. Also as it is now listed so it will also focus on more profits as compared to earlier past.

I am a big fan of Dr Devi shetty so i am a bit biased for it due to this. I also have a great respect for Dr. Venkatawamy (Dr V as he is called) of Arvind Eye care...these men are just awesome. I have read somewhere that doctors of Aravind Eye care perform around 2000 eye surgeries as compared to 400 global avg and 200 asian avg!!!
But players like NH are the next big opportunity for india to shine at global scale and bring in the huge foreign exchange even bigger than IT industry. NH is providing even better services than its global counterparts in USA at fraction of their costs. So huge number of people will visit india for cheaper and quality treatment in the near future. NH market value is just 6000 (No need to compare it with their revenue, just compare with the future scale) with turnover of around 1200 cr. This will grow much bigger from here. A great buy at 310 and at every fall.

BASF and Clariant Chemicals: Global Chemicals giants with great R&D and technologies. Some of the very few MNC’s who have invested big in india. They were incurring losses as it takes time for new capacities to churn profits as big depreciation in the beginning also squeeze the margins. Chinese cheap chemicals were also the factor but these are old horses. BASF and Clariant has already shown huge improvements in this Mar-16 quarter. BASF is at 950 and Clariant is at 690.


(Views are personal and should not be taken as a recommendation for buying or selling a stock. Stock markets are inherently risky so kindly do your Due Diligence before investing. I am not a certified Sebi Analyst and holding the shares discussed in this Post)



24 comments:

  1. Hi Gurpreet, What do you make out of SKM Q4 results?

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    1. Hi Dear, Not tracking SKM for long. Results are just good…reflecting, may be, surplus supply from USA etc. into the global market. However raw material costs are surprisingly stable around 75% of turnover. But in reality, surprise package for me is the reduction in the other overall costs except raw material…these have fallen to 12 cr from 17 cr!!. I wish these are real…and if these are…this is one real feat.

      I am not counting any more eggs unless SKM raises the capacity and be aggressive in Indian market. Everybody is underestimating India…just look at the growth of Domino’s Pizza. India is not only about shell eggs…we need processed eggs. But SKM has built a great product line and reputation which sets it apart from a plain egg commodity player…penetrating in western/Japanese/Russian market is very tough…ask any Indian liquor company and they will tell the reputation of India in quality in food products. Isn’t this is very near to Brand power…SKM is not a generic commodity player…it deserves better valuations.

      Now the quest is only of scale and I have no doubt that SKM would go for inorganic route….it is fast…so we are hearing something about acquiring Obovel in the near future. Balance sheet is strong…cash flows are good. Although I am holding it from very low of 10 but I will leap if it falls to 30-40 or 50.

      But in the present variable times, too much noise about it isn't doing any good. Everybody is an analyst now...but Golden egg laying hen was not a broiler but a Layer.

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    2. Thank you Gurpreet . I was waiting to buy this for a while , I will take a position and also at every fall if any.

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  2. Sirji ...waiting for your Caplin Point analysis

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    1. No Dear…couldn’t study it. But just made a glimpse of its books…just 5 minutes. It has given Unreal returns, from 20 to 1600 and now at 980. Its return over equity is also UNREAL…60 cr NP on 90 cr…70% ROE! Unreal sundry creditors of 122 cr when debtors are just 6 cr…no sale on credit but almost entire raw material+ traded goods (43+90=133 cr ) are purchased on credit. And finally very low dividend of 5 on EPS of 40…may be there is some story behind it…but I am happy staying behind it.

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  3. Thanks a lot sirji for your wise analysis

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  4. Hello sir
    Pls don't mind another question as I like the simple and thoughtful ways you analyze...

    sir long ago when asked about
    1)arrow coated products and
    2)cupid
    You replied...........

    Hi Dear, no study of arrow coated...but it has given great returns... fallen from 860 to 470 now...it was very expensive at 860 at a pe of around 50. Its Net profit margins are awesome, turnover 48 cr but NP is 22 cr!!!
    But cant say about the future as no study at all...same for cupid...it is mostly a male/female condom player however not much of brand power. but not many may be aware that Raymonds is the owner of Kamsutra brand. I am holding Raymonds.

    But one thing...be vary of these wonder stories who have already run up a big mile...just focus on their products...whether they can hold any competitive advantages so as to ensure a long run of exceptional performance.
    .......................
    Both these companies posted good results last two quarters.
    planning to make an entry...your suggestion shall be of great use

    Thanks
    Sanjeev



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    1. Dear Sanjeev,

      I can’t comment on the future of these as I have never studied the business model of these. But just remember one thing; if you want to pick a multibagger (and that will be a Risky One) you need to pick it early. If you are entering when they are already 30-40 baggers you are entering risky zone which is more than the probable return. But you need to cover the management risk and business risk. Like I am seeing a great future for warranty and after sale service providers for mobiles and laptops etc. It will be a big business in the future as every brand would like to outsource this. Also after warranty expiry, we need some reliable service providers not the current cheap and unreliable ones in every street. So this is very risky business as the scale now is not that big But scope of scale is huge. But still I am trying to cover management risk and already bought the ones with great management like TVS Electronics (already 3 bagger), HCL Infosys etc. HCL is already a big force with their HCL Touch brand and growing fast. I am also looking for someone doing multibrand car after sales service but still no find here.

      So the main catalyst is finding these early but still we need to stock to quality ones. Never take chance with these smallcaps. We don’t know who are swimming naked until the water recedes.
      Like Arrow coated, it is already a 100 bagger but it looks very strange. Its turnover is 60 cr but raw material cost is just 2 cr!! Even depreciation is 1 cr. Then what it is doing with 15 cr assets? Is there any machinery in it? I judt don’t know. But with huge NP margins it is having 40 cr in cash and investments but pays just 10% of NP as dividend. If there is no inventory, no raw material requirements, No assets…then why don’t it is sharing high dividends. Like I am holding a small company Titan Biotech for last 4-5 years…they earn very low profits of 2 cr but yet they are sharing around 70-80 lac as dividends for last 3-4 years. I am adding this only due to this as I don’t know anything about promoters but we need to DERIVE the authenticity indirectly…no other way. Arrow is already down from 900 to 500!! I have seen many such fancy stories like Amar remedies. I may be totally wrong about Arrow but in my filters it is a clear avoid.

      About cupid, I don’t understand how it is earning huge margins, 25 cr profit before tax from turnover of 60 cr, from unbranded contraceptive business that too from competitive export market. But if it is real then where is the cash and dividend.
      So as shared earlier I am unable to form a positive opinion. But if you can understand their business with high conviction then you can take a chance.

      Regards

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    2. Thanks a lot for your time and quick reply...shall think about it

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  5. Hi sir
    Very good write up on quality picks, thanks for sharing.
    Above question raised regarding Cupid and arrow and your response at that time seems logical....I made an entry recently in both after good results though very small amount...whether can I add both in SIP manner?
    Also invested in Premco global for last 6months periodically...though at loss....sales of the company is a worry but NP looks great....please give your inputs sir
    Thanks
    Shilpa

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    1. Dear Shilpa, I have answered the first part of your query above to the query of Mr. sanjeev.

      Premco is even stranger. It has earned around 40 cr in last 4 years but the whole money is blocked in Investments, debtors and inventory. No addition in assets…nothing has been returned to shareholders in the form of dividends. Strangely it is paying interest of rs. 1 cr on debt of just 2-3 cr every year!! Why such high rate of int if it is having investments of 10 cr…40 cr NP in last 4 years!!

      There may be something in these which I may not be getting but it is down from its high of 974 to 560. My advice is to avoid stocks like these and just invest your hard earned money into quality stocks. We shouldn’t risk our hard earned money like this…it deserves much more depth. There is no easy money in the stock market (also in Life)…but there are easy risks.

      Regards

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    2. Thanks sir....request you to post an article regarding the useful checklist and basics before picking a stock which can be very beneficial for small retail investors like us.
      Also sir it would be great if you can post quarterly analysis of your old picks...I understand one quarter is very small to judge a stock....like your old pick Gloster down 30% post bonus announcement...anything we are missing? Also Bajaj electricals muted results...

      Again thanks for your honest inputs and time..
      Regards
      Shilpa

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    3. Yes Dear, actually some other readers have also shared the same view. I am already planning to revisit some of our old picks like KPIT, Radico, HIL etc. Quarterly reviews are getting missed only due to time factor. However i am sharing regular reviews on stocks via emails to most of the readers through email id of this blog. But i'll definitely try to incorporate this as a regular feature at our blog.

      Regards

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  6. hello sirji
    Is Alphageo a great opportunity and wealth creator considering the 1500cr order book for a market cap of less than 500cr?
    Can we enter at this price of 800?

    Thanks
    Sanjeev


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    1. No Dear, Never studied it...it could have been a great buy below 100...but after gaining around 30 times from lows of 30...i may not enter into it. I am negative on OIL...solar, wind and battery will de-oil the globe to great extent. But still as i have no study of it...so my view is with this limited visibility.

      Order book has no relevance with market value....it is only profitable execution over time. Moreover we discount annual profits not total profits over a period of time...so pay attention to the periodicity of the order. Better to look for another mispriced high quality stocks.

      Regards

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  7. Hi sir

    Lot of buzz these days on Tata metalliks...are you tracking it? Can we have your opinion on it?

    Thanks
    Shanker

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    1. Sir, Never studied it. I generally never touch commodity stocks unless they have some high entry barriers and global insulation which is very rare in today's time. But i feel as it has already run up too much...better to avoid unless you have some deep study of its products and their future. I think piping is a commodity business with low entry barrier...so i can't see anything for me into this. There can be great commodity stocks even in sector like steel...as india although is producing sufficient steel but we are not producing high grade light weight steel which is used for vehicles, aeroplanes etc. So if i find these types of entry barrier only then i think over them...otherwise no investments into commodity.

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  8. Sir
    In case of Dr Agarwal eye hospital ,a major portion of the eyecare business is controlled by the ulisted entity that is the Dr Agarwal healthcare which is also the holding company of the listed company.
    Only 22 clinics of the 140 clinics are under the listed company.
    So will this be a good investment ,if the promoters are having same business other than the listed entity.Or am I getting it wrong?

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    1. Dear Sir, sorry for the late reply as i was out of the town. Regarding Dr Agarwal...actually not much is available in the public domain. Even not much details are available in the annual report also. One analyst have given his opinion taking all the hospitals under the listed entity ( Dr Agarwal's Eye care). However as per my knowledge, they are having some 60 hospitals in total under their eye and total turnover the group has been reported around 350 crore...so as the listed entity is having turnover of around 120 cr which is around one third, so we can assume the total hospitals under listed entity to be around 20. kindly share the source of your information. i am busy in studying some other stocks now so just couldn't devote more time after the initial take.

      I have already written to the management about it. However we can't doubt the integrity of promoters just on this basis as there can be some explanations behind this. They might have listed lesser hospitals as they were in need of that much capital as even in the listed entity they have higher shareholding of 75% which few quarters back was around 78% resulted in SEBI barring their promoters.The thing is that every promoter likes to get maximum out of IPO of his company which is achieved only if the business has some scale and profits which is non existent in the case of Dr Agarwal so they might have decided to list only partial stake. Later they have gone for private equity placement for growth. Also the fact that private equity investment was in holding company not in unlisted business so there is no case for promoters to avoid the listed entity....also they are still the big majority shareholder of 75%...hence no logic in ignoring it for the benefit of unlisted part. Each hospital is a separate entity with no link with other hospital.

      Moreover the situation where we can put the red flag on the management due to some unlisted business is when there are chances of unjustified gain for unlisted entity on the part of listed entity like in the case of Talwarkar better fitness; they have unlisted entity dealing in gym equipment so we can doubt the integrity if the listed entity has entered into business with the equipment arm by buying or leasing equipment at much higher price than the market rates. These are reported under "related party transactions" in the annual report and Dr Agarwal's eye has done the business of only 1.78 cr with holding company.

      Actually promoters and company are keeping a low profile...i don't see them caring much for the share price movement hence their annual report is also prepared in Doctor's style- in scribbled language....not much emphasis has been given for Management discussions part. But i am ready to take this as more of carelessness than intentional unethical standards because the work they are doing is visible in the public domain. Moreover they are trading at dirt cheap valuations but getting the private equity placements at way higher valuations. So it can return great rewards if we can keep an Eye on this Eye hospital.

      Rviews are welcome.

      Regards

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  9. Hi Gurpreet Sir,

    Piramal Enterprise has generated enormous wealth. I will continue to do so
    if we consider the de-merger of various entities.

    If I look at last 5 years financial numbers the story looks different.
    It has negative cash flow, increasing debt and in addition to this it is paying dividend. I am confused here - Why is cash flow in negative by bug margin. Here is the

    PAT & CFO of last 5 years.

    PAT : 111.5 | -227.29 | -501.41 | 2849.95 | 950.6
    CFO : -684.78 | -1570.46| -1604.43 |-2206.85 |-6777.33

    Can you please help me solve this mystery.

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    1. Dear, There is no catch here. Actually Piramal sold his Pharma business for around 17000 cr in 2010. So there was huge cash Inflow in 2010. After that Piramal was in investment mode for 2-3 years wherein it invested major of the funds received. It even invested around 5900 cr in Vodafone and then sold the same at 8900 cr. It also bought DRG Plc of USA for around 3500 cr in between apart from investing big chunks in Shriram group (may be around 7000 cr, not sure). So there was a lot of activity going in there.

      After that it has ventured into NBFC business big time, which can distort the figures of debt as NBFC business is all about borrowing low and lending higher…so there will always be borrowings (Debt) in the balance sheet. But it is cash positive big time.

      Moreover I amn’t sure of your source of cash flow statements/profits because their data in Annual report of 2015-16 aren’t matching with you. Their cash flow from operating activities before working capital changes was at 1115 cr in 2016 vs 271 cr of 2015. Their net cash flow was -7 cr in 2016 vs -17 cr in 2015. As an NBFC in the starting phase, it needs to borrow big but payments from lenders will take some time…so this NBFC part of story can distort the final cash flows. But there is nothing to worry...The growth we have seen so far is just the tip of the story. its NP this year is 1061 cr and i think it can very easily double in next 1-2 years.

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  10. Yeah, The cash flow statement presented in the AR is different from the one I got it from money control & screener.in . The AR has following note - The above Cash Flow Statement has been prepared under the ‘Indirect Method’ set out in Accounting Standard - 3

    This is the reason why I got mislead. NBFC division added more to my confusion.

    Thank you for pointing me to the correct statement

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  11. The third party website captures the Net cash flow from Operation which is (7,125.72) from AR. This also accounts for the investment made by the company in other debentures. I think the mix of business/ investment Piramal ent is handling adds complexity to the CFO.

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